Climate Careers: Fiona Spruill, Chief Product Officer at Overstory
Today's guest is Fiona Spruill, Chief Product Officer at Overstory.
Overstory's mission is to monitor all of Earth's natural resources in real-time to reverse climate change. Its first project helps utilities track forest and vegetation growth to reduce the risk of wildfires and power outages by applying machine learning to satellite imagery. We are proud to be an Overstory investor!
Prior to Overstory, Fiona was most recently COO at Meetup, and spent 14 years in journalism, in roles of increasing responsibility at The New York Times. In 2019, Fiona decided to transition into working on climate. Like so many, she found the transition to be a difficult one (because it is!), but she navigated it brilliantly, and landed in a terrific spot.
This episode is meant for anyone else who is thinking about doing the same! It covers Fiona’s reasons for wanting to transition into working in climate tech, how she went about the process, lessons learned, and advice for others looking to head down a similar path.
Enjoy the show!
You can find me on Twitter @jjacobs22 or @mcjpod and email at info@myclimatejourney.co, where I encourage you to share your feedback on episodes and suggestions for future topics or guests.
Episode recorded February 24th, 2021.
In Today's episode, we cover:
Fiona's motivations for transitioning into climate and how that journey manifested
The disconnect Fiona saw in her friends who say they cared about climate change but weren't altering their daily lives to combat it
Where Fiona started her climate journey and how she narrowed in on Overstory
Key learnings that Fiona wished existed when she was beginning her career shift
Fellowship options from Terra.do to On Deck
Fiona's process finding open positions
How Fiona approached companies that aren't explicitly hiring and presenting her skills
The barriers for individuals making career transitions and why Fiona thinks it's so hard
Advice Fiona has for those looking to make a career transition:
Narrow your focus as quickly as you can and being willing to pivot
Climate is everything; therefore, no one is unqualified to work in climate
Talk to as many people as you can
Learning collectively through various projects such as Project Drawdown, On Deck Fellowships, Terra.do courses, and the MCJ podcast and membership
If you are interested in connecting with Fiona, reach out to her via Twitter or LinkedIn.
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Today's guest on the climate career series is Fiona Spruill, chief product officer at Overstory. Overstory's mission is to monitor all of Earth's natural resources in real time in order to help protect those resources and reverse climate change. Their first step is applying machine learning to satellite imagery, to track forest and vegetation, helping to reduce the risk of wildfires and power outages.
Before joining Overstory, Fiona had an impressive career at the New York Times. Then she was VP of product at Meetup and when they were acquired by WeWork, she went on to be the Meetup chief operating officer. When she left, she wanted to focus on climate change, but she didn't know how, or even how to go about it.
In this episode, we talk about Fiona's journey. What made her decide to want to put climate front and center in the next phase of her career, how she went about it, what tools and resources she utilized, what she wishes existed that didn't when she was making the transition, why she picked Overstory and also advice that Fiona may have for anyone else that's looking to follow down a similar path. Fiona, welcome to the show.
Fiona Spruill: Thank you so much, Jason. It's an honor to be here.
Jason Jacobs: It's an honor to have you. Yeah, and I'm so excited because we, we did not do a prep call before the show. And I haven't really talked to you that much since you got this amazing job. And I was going to say amazing new job in climate tech, but it's not so, so new anymore. So I'm dying to get the updates as well on how everything's going and the big move to Europe and yeah.
Fiona Spruill: Well everything's-
Jason Jacobs: Excite.
Fiona Spruill: ... yeah, everything's going great. I joined Overstory in September of last year and then moved to Amsterdam from New York at the end of November. And so it's pretty interesting to, to move your family. I have two small children in the middle of a global pandemic, but all in all, it's gone really great. And I feel so lucky and fortunate to be here and to be working with the Overstory team on a great mission.
Jason Jacobs: So typically when we do these episodes, we start with the company and what it does, and then we kind of get into your background and, and things like that. I mean, maybe you can give kind of the tagline, but we've done an Overstory episode before. So I don't want to get too deep on the, Overstory because the real purpose here is your journey coming from outside of climate tech, looking to work inside of climate tech and how that came about, why that came about, when that came about, what process you followed to figure it out. And then of course, where you landed, how it's going and what advice you have for other people looking to head down a similar path. So all that to say, now I'll ask you what is Overstory? [laughs]
Fiona Spruill: Absolutely. So Overstory's mission is to help solve our climate crisis by providing real time intelligence about the planet's vegetation. And our first focus is helping utilities reduce the risk of wildfires and power outages. Obviously, those are problems that we're sadly acutely aware of at this moment in time. And we do all of this by applying machine learning models to satellite imagery in order to track changes in forest and vegetation.
And so we're monitoring vegetation, for example, across 61 different countries and we help utilities, you know, make sure that, that vegetation isn't interacting with the power lines, which can cause problems.
Jason Jacobs: Great. And then as wildfires become more prevalent, essentially the risks are higher if you don't stay on top of that. And so what might've flown a decade ago or three decades ago, or whatever now is gonna get you in trouble and will, will get you in worse trouble going forward as the climate continues to become more volatile.
Fiona Spruill: Exactly the vegetation can be more brittle, more prone to fires. Also the storms are worse. And so we see, you know, more problems from that. So it's clear that right now, unfortunately the problem is getting worse and not better. And so we want to be part of that solution.
Jason Jacobs: Now this is the first company that puts climate front and center that you've ever worked in. Correct?
Fiona Spruill: Exactly. Yes, absolutely.
Jason Jacobs: And if I recall you had an explicit focus where you were looking to put climate front and center in your next chapter. True?
Fiona Spruill: Absolutely. Yes. I decided in summer of 2019 that I wanted to focus on climate. I had left Meetup in February of 2019.
Jason Jacobs: So maybe talk a bit about what you were doing before and then talk a bit about why and when and how you pieced together that you wanted to put climate front and center in your next chapter.
Fiona Spruill: Sure. So just a little bit of background. I started my career in journalism at the New York Times, was there for 14 years and really worked a lot on helping that company transition into its digital future. I ran the, what was called the web newsroom back then before the newsrooms were integrated and worked a lot on some of our early mobile products. After I had my first baby, I decided I wanted to make a big change. So that was sort of my first experience with big career shifts. And I embarked on a process of talking to lots of people and ended up at Meetup. I had known Scott Heiferman, the founder and CEO for awhile and was-
Jason Jacobs: I know Scott, by the way, we... I'm sure we talked about this at some point in the past.
Fiona Spruill: Yeah.
Jason Jacobs: But we did some partnership stuff with Meetup when I was running Runkeeper back in the day.
Fiona Spruill: That's cool. He's a wonderful person and dear friend. And so got the opportunity to join Meetup. First was in charge of our international expansion and then moved over to run product for most of my time there with a big focus on making Meetup, more of a mobile company. Fast forward to we sold the company to WeWork. That was quite a ride. I moved into the COO role post acquisition stayed for a year and then decided it was time to move on and do something else.
I didn't know what that something was at the time. I decided to take six months off and just hang out with my kids. I had, had my second baby right before we sold the company. And so I wanted to spend some time with them. And it was during that six months that I decided that climate was the thing that I had to focus on.
Jason Jacobs: And w- what led to that decision?
Fiona Spruill: Well, you know, I don't have one particular moment or one particular book that I read that I can tell you that there was sort of a light bulb that went off in my head, but I have a background. My dad is a banker turned environmental activist. So I certainly have always cared about the environment for my whole life, but I'd never really considered a career in that area.
But I think honestly, what it was is I started, you know, I started reading a lot more about our plastics problems and I started trying to live my life in a plastic-free way. And I realized how difficult that was and that led me to care a lot more about food waste and composting. And I realized the extent of the problems with food waste. And then I'd sort of, I started looking around me, [laughs] looking at my friends here. I lived in Park Slope, Brooklyn, which is arguably one of the most progressive neighborhoods, probably in the United States.
I have all these friends who are smart, ambitious, would identify probably as progressive Democrats. And yet it didn't feel like anyone was really doing anything differently in their lives or in their careers because of the climate crisis. All of them would tell you that climate change is a problem, but there was a, a mismatch in my mind, given what, everything I was reading about the extent of the crisis and how little time we have to actually make changes now to have a real, a real impact.
And I just realized that, hey, I don't want to be old and say to my kids, "Well, I wish I had tried more." I want to be able to say to them, "I did everything I can to try to help solve this crisis."
Jason Jacobs: So once you had that realization, what did you do? Where did you start?
Fiona Spruill: Well in hindsight I think I approached career shifts, sort of like an investigative reporter and maybe that's my journalism background, but I started just simply by talking to as many people as I could. And I think in the end I talked to 150 people and I went broad. I, for example, in those first couple months, I remember I went to an all day conference on green roofs at the Javits Center [laughs] in New York, which, you know, [laughs] in hindsight it was probably a, a little bit narrow and a little bit too specific, but I just started trying to absorb as much as I could.
I talked to people in the private sector, the public sector, non-profit, you know, startup founders, investors, just trying to learn and see what I was interested in. And to be honest, I think I probably stayed too broad for too long and I wish I had narrowed a little bit quicker.
Jason Jacobs: And from a timeline standpoint, when was this that you were going through this exercise?
Fiona Spruill: I started in September of 2019.
Jason Jacobs: Okay. And so you're in that broad mode and then how did you start to narrow and where did you start to narrow and why did you start to narrow?
Fiona Spruill: Yeah, so I started to narrow in first on food waste, just food is a personal passion of mine and that became an area that I was really interested in also because frankly, I think it's, it's really accessible for people who don't maybe understand the science behind carbon removal or, you know, other the more complicated aspects.
And so I started focusing there, I had the opportunity to do a really great consulting project with a cool startup in London called Olio, which has a very Meetup like approach to solving food waste. So I went deep there. I started to get really interested in carbon removal, especially some of the natural solutions. So I started meeting with as many people as I could join the meet up [laughs] about carbon removal, went to some of the air miners events. So just tried to learn as much as I could in those areas.
Jason Jacobs: Uh-huh [affirmative] And one question I forgot to ask about the broad phase, but who are some of the most valuable people that you talk to, or what are some of the most valuable books or news sources that you read, or I guess what tips would you have for people that when they're in that broad phase for how to get themselves up to speed?
Fiona Spruill: I mean, I'm not just saying this because of the person I'm talking to, but certainly my climate journey was really, really instrumental in educating me and also in giving me sort of tips for other areas to go deeper on. So both of course, listening to the podcast, but also just staying in the Slack and looking at who was introducing themselves.
And then if it was an investor then going and looking at their portfolio and, and really just, that's a lot of how I learned what was going on and kind of like where there was interesting innovation happening. And then the other source I would say is which I'm sure you hear from many people is Project Drawdown, which is just, you know, a great overview, I think written in a very approachable way and of course, solutions oriented, which is really appealing.
Jason Jacobs: Do you think that everybody who wants to work on climate should start broad first?
Fiona Spruill: Well actually one of my biggest pieces of advice is to narrow as quickly as you can, because I think working on climate basically means working on everything. And so I think it can be overwhelming if you start your journey thinking you, you know, you have to become an expert on solar or something like that when there are people who've been working for decades in these areas.
So I don't think you have to go as broad as I did. You definitely don't have to go to conferences on green roofs. And so, you know, I would recommend narrowing sooner rather than later, but also being okay to pivot. I mean, hey, I told you I was interested in food waste and carbon removal and Overstory is not, you know, not really [laughs] working on either of those. And so it's okay to pivot if something else comes along that piques your interest.
Jason Jacobs: Now, when you were going through this process, were you mostly looking at mitigation? So either reducing our emissions for print or carbon removal or things like that, or were you also open to the idea that adaptation or resiliency was a meaningful climate solution?
Fiona Spruill: Absolutely. I think, you know, I was spending more time in mitigation, but adaptation I think is an area that's not getting enough attention and I think it's vitally important. So, you know, I would say that most of my journey in terms of what I read and where I was focusing was more in mitigation, but when I talk to people now I explicitly tell them don't shy away from adaptation because that's a critically important area as well. And I think some people sort of think, "Oh, well, if we just focus on that, we're throwing in the towel on mitigation." And I, I really don't believe that.
Jason Jacobs: You had mentioned the importance of focus and maybe not staying so broad for so long, but what advice do you have for people in figuring out where they as individuals should focus?
Fiona Spruill: Yeah I think, you know, especially if you're, if you're coming from a background that hasn't involved science or, you know, like me, I was coming from journalism and consumer tech software that sometimes there isn't an obvious fit with climate tech, at least initially when you start your journey.
And so I think what it's important to do is realize, just keep telling yourself that climate is everything and [laughs] whatever your strengths are and your interests, you will be able to find a way to apply those. Even if you haven't studied physics in two decades or you know, [laughs] whatever it is, focus on your strengths and what's interesting to you and your passion.
And also I think finding a great team. I mean, it sounds incredibly predictable, but ultimately that's the reason I joined Overstory is, you know, I got to know Indra and Anniek and Roelof, the other two co-founders and I just simply really liked them, and thought they were good smart people and they were people that I wanted to work with and that's so critically important as well.
Jason Jacobs: And what about the process of turning over those rocks? Was that a highly inefficient and fragmented process? Were there any tips or hacks or key learnings you had that either made your process more efficient or that you wish existed that would have?
Fiona Spruill: Yeah, I think in terms of actually figuring out what my next job was going to be, I mean, I-I spent a little while toying with the idea of whether I wanted to start something myself. And I think coming to a clarity in, on those kinds of questions about like what it is you're actually after. And once I said to myself, "Okay, now is not the right moment for me to start something myself. And so therefore I want to join a seed stage climate tech company as a COO or a CPO."
Like once I was sort of like bold enough to say that to myself and to other people, I actually started having more meaningful conversations about actual jobs, before that it felt a little bit more meandering.
Jason Jacobs: Now is this primarily a solo journey or did you have any type of peer group of sorts that was going through it alongside you?
Fiona Spruill: Primarily solo, but and this is a tip I do give other people who are just starting on the journey is that I had very strong friends. For example, the co-founders of Meetup Scott Heiferman and Brendan McGovern I met with them on a weekly basis. And even though, you know, they weren't transitioning into climate tech, they knew me really well. And they were a great support system for cheering me on.
And I had other people like that who I talked to regularly, who weren't necessarily, you know, they weren't going into climate, but they were either going through their own career shift. And so I think, you know, finding those people who are in your camp, who are rooting for you as you make the change is really, really important, but it could be lonely. I wish I had someone to do it with.
Jason Jacobs: Now did you go through either the [inaudible 00:20:22] training or the on-deck climate fellowship or any formal program like that?
Fiona Spruill: I didn't. And I, you know, in some ways I regret that. I know some people who are doing the on-deck climate fellowship right now, and it seems great. And in some ways I sort of regret that I didn't, I guess there's still time.
Jason Jacobs: Yeah and that's one of the things we've been thinking about actually is just, you know, we have the Slack room and it's like the venue, and then there's a directory of people and people can do the work themselves to make those connections, which they do all the time through seeing the intro's looking at the directory and contacting people either publicly in one of the channels or privately, which increasingly is the, I think it's the majority of how people interact on there, which like, it doesn't matter to us as long as the connections are being made.
But one of the things we think about is what about if there was some kind of like peer group or mastermind group or a kind of like tribe of maybe smaller people that are like your buddies, it could be a pairing system with just one, it could be four or five, I don't know the right number and, you know, how would we facilitate that and would we do it ourselves? Would we do it in partnership with one of these great organizations that's emerging, that's kind of doing their own more structured program? I don't have answers on any of it. It just seems like something that a lot of members would get value from, which is why I was curious if, you know, if you had it and if you didn't have it, if you missed it?
Fiona Spruill: Well, certainly MCJ provided some of that to me in that, you know, if I was having a day of feeling kind of lonely and, "Oh gosh, like, am I ever going to get to the other side here," just looking in the Slack and reminding myself that there were other people there who were committed to the cause, but didn't exactly know what they were going to do yet was reaffirming.
But I think just on the idea that you were proposing, I mean, that's essentially the thesis of Meetup, right? Is that people want to do things together with other people, whether it is you want to learn a new language or you want to go run together or, you know, you name it. And so I firmly believe that going through a transition like that and learning together is the best way.
Jason Jacobs: Now, what about the opportunities that you evaluated? Were these typically jobs that were posted and publicly available or was it just companies that you thought were interesting and then seeing if, you know, if it might make sense to try to create a job, or how did you think about that?
Fiona Spruill: It was a mix. I'd say most were not jobs that were posted. They were connections, intros and then, you know, I started talking to the person and then kind of co-creating a job together. And so that was a big part of the process. I think there was one job that I explored that actually was a posted job, but most of them weren't, which, you know, can be, can make it a little bit more challenging, but in some ways, I mean, that's, that's sort of what I'm used to is working with a company to come up with the right role is a lot of the way you get the right jobs.
Jason Jacobs: Now I want to ask this question the right away, without any leading answers or anything like that, I-I mostly just want to understand what I think I just heard from you because what I think I heard is that most of the companies you talk to didn't have posted jobs and I'm wondering why that is. Do you discount posted jobs as a, as a right way to search for a job in climate tech. And if so, why, and if not, then why wasn't that a bigger piece of your process?
Fiona Spruill: Well, to be totally honest, I mean, I think there are a lot more posted jobs in climate tech in February of 2021 than there were a year ago, you know, there's simply a larger supply. So it wasn't that I was philosophically opposed to posted jobs, but there just, there weren't that many of them. Also there was this, you know, minor detail of the global pandemic that [laughs] that hit in March.
And so that made things even more difficult and that there was, you know, at least a few months there where everyone was pretty skiddish and, you know, a lot of companies were trying to close funding rounds and that got delayed and people wanted to see where things were going before they posted, especially senior roles.
So I don't philosophically absolutely not oppose to it, I think it just, for the way that my search went, it just happened that most of the conversations that I had were kind of longer term conversations. I think in two cases, the companies were in the process of closing around a funding and they couldn't hire me anyway until after they closed. So sort of by necessity that it was more of a longer term kind of conversation molding the job together as opposed to a job posted kind of situation.
Jason Jacobs: And in situations where there was no job posted, how did you f- frame what you were seeking from that discussion to the companies that you were either reaching out to, or getting introduced to? And what counsel do you have on that front for anyone listening, who is seeking to head down a similar path?
Fiona Spruill: Well, my main approach was to talk about what I thought I could bring to them. So talk about my experiences at Meetup to a lesser extent the New York times, 'cause that was a while ago, but you know, just talking about the broad range, I mean, I focus for most of my time on product at Meetup, but I also did a little bit of everything. And so that was mainly my pitch was, "Here's how I think I can help you."
And you know, I certainly didn't start by talking about job title or something like that. It's, you know, "Hey, what do you need? And here's how I think I can help you. And then let's see if this is a match."
Jason Jacobs: Uh-huh [affirmative] And other than the fact that this company puts climate front and center and companies you've worked at in the past didn't as explicitly, functionally, does it feel much different than other companies that you've worked in, in the past?
Fiona Spruill: Well, it's different for me in the sense that I don't have any background working with utilities or trying to sell software into utilities. I don't have a background working with satellite technology, certainly at Meetup we built out a strong machine learning team, but my knowledge of machine learning is not super deep.
And so for me, there's a personal learning curve there just about what we're actually building. And it's also, I've never worked at an early stage startup. So the, the New York Times, [laughs] obviously not an early stage startup and Meetup was series D 120 people when I joined. So I'd say subject matter and just size and stage of the company is what's different for me, but also super exciting and that's what I wanted.
Jason Jacobs: And given that climate and even climate tech. Well, I mean, within climate is so broad. Do you think there's a, like an intro course, for example, that would help anyone that works in climate or is it so broad that you would need to teach different stuff to different people and you shouldn't even try to standardize?
Fiona Spruill: That's a good question. I mean, I think an intro course is possible, but I think that, you know, you just have to keep it super high level, but yeah, I-I think it's absolutely possible. I mean, in the sense that like Project Drawdown is in some ways an intro course and it, you know, covers most of the bases. And so, yeah, I think it's possible, but...
Jason Jacobs: And there's more and more people that are looking to make the transition that you have successfully made. I hear from a lot of people that, that is challenging for them, even in a world where there's more jobs that are appearing, it's just, it's intimidating. They don't really know where to start. They don't feel like they have a great bearing on the science. They don't feel like they have that much to bring to the table. Why do you think that is and what might either they do, or what might one do more systematically to make that transition easier for people?
Fiona Spruill: I think it is more difficult than it should be. And, and I've spent a while, you know, thinking about this and thinking about what role can I play and trying to make it less difficult. I mean, certainly I think the science aspect is intimidating. And so trying to make that less intimidating.
And also frankly, just stressing the fact that working on climate is such a broad thing than it... You don't have to be a scientific expert in order to do that. Understanding that a couple of people said to me in my journey when I was talking to so many people, don't come like work on climate, just go be the COO of another company and run it in a climate friendly, sustainable way.
And so understanding that you don't necessarily need to leave your job in order to have an impact. I mean, I'm really interested in how companies decarbonize. And so there's a lot to be done sort of within non climate companies because everything is climate. So, so I think that's part of what I would say. I mean, I also should acknowledge that I was incredibly fortunate to be able to take a year to figure this out and that's highly unusual. Most people are not that lucky. So I think being able to spend that amount of time is a real luxury that I had that many others don't.
Jason Jacobs: And is there anything in hindsight that you wish existed structurally that could have helped facilitate this transition more effectively for you and, or looking forwards is there anything that you wish someone would build that would help make it easier for people following in your footsteps?
Fiona Spruill: Well, certainly just, you know, looking at the on-deck climate fellowship, I mean, that's the kind of thing that I don't think it existed a year ago. It's pretty new, right? I mean on deck is, is-
Jason Jacobs: It's a knot, it's a knot. Yeah.
Fiona Spruill: Right. And so, I mean, that's exactly the type of thing that I think would help so many more people, you know, it's all about figuring it out, right? Figuring out where you go next. And so something in that vein, either more things like it, or, you know, that kind of thing I think is really necessary. And also just that aspect of going through it with another group of people is gonna give people that much more confidence and make the journey feel less lonely. And I think if you could make the journey feel less lonely, you're more likely to have people successfully get to the other side of the journey.
Jason Jacobs: Great. And it, is there anything I didn't ask you that I should have, or any parting words of advice for listeners?
Fiona Spruill: I think the main things, first of all, for people who are considering embarking on this journey and who are maybe, you know, a little bit scared by it, I would say it's been remarkably rewarding for me. And also just simply that this is, I truly believe it's the most exciting thing to be working on in tech. It is the issue of our time.
And so if you want to be working on something meaningful, like this is it. So come on board, we need as many smart brains as possible. And just the one thing I would say is continually remind yourself that it's not a straight line and you will get to the other side and you'll figure it out even if there's some fits and starts along the way.
Jason Jacobs: And on a related topic, are there any open roles at Overstory?
Fiona Spruill: Thank you for asking. There are, we're looking for a front-end engineer, a data scientists, data engineer, and we're also looking for someone in marketing. So reach out if you're interested.
Jason Jacobs: And given our earlier discussion about reaching out to companies that maybe don't have posted job descriptions. What types of people might you want to hear from beyond ones that are a fit for those specific roles, if any?
Fiona Spruill: Oh, absolutely. I'm always interested in talking to people. I mean, certainly give, my role I'm chief product officer so anyone in the product and design realm, I'm specifically interested in talking to people who want to make a transition into climate or have already made the transition, but want a different challenge. I love, love, love talking to people who are interested in product design and climate.
Jason Jacobs: Great. Well, Fiona, thank you so much for coming on the show. Congrats on making this transition so effectively, both in terms of the area that you work in, but also the physical area that you work in since you've packed up your family and moved them overseas, what an amazing achievement and adventure.
Fiona Spruill: I feel very fortunate and thanks for everything you did to help, help make it happen.
Jason Jacobs: Oh I mean, you know, I had a front row seat, but beyond that, I don't know that we did too much, but at any rate, I'm so happy to see that you're on this path, especially since I'm an investor in Overstory as well, and looking forward to much collaboration in the future.
Fiona Spruill: Sounds great, thanks so much.
Jason Jacobs: Hey everyone, Jason here. Thanks again for joining me on My Climate Journey. If you'd like to learn more about the journey, you can visit us at myclimatejourney.co, no that is dot CO not dot COM. Someday we'll get to dot COM, but right now dot CO.
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